Derrick Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Hydnophytum mindanaensis Elmer (Adolf Daniel Edward Elmer) as spelt in Leaflets of Philippine botany vol.3, pp1039/40 (1911). (Leafl. Philipp. Bot.) http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/776330#page/278/mode/1up. Habitat/Range. Epiphytic in lowland forests to 450 m (1476 ft.) Philippines, Mindanao Island, Davao Province, Cotabato. H. mindanaense Elmer A typographical error of H. mindanaensis above in An enumeration of Philippine flowering plants vol.3, p569, (1923.) http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/33502961#page/575/mode/1up. Tropicos has repeated the error. http://www.tropicos.org/Name/100204724. In fact twice. H. mindananense Elmer, another spelling error in Tropicos. http://www.tropicos.org/Name/50290088 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Bonjour yes it is a problem. I meet other problems like this one on horneanum or horneatum montanium or montanum may be ambinense or amboinense with kejense also and other problem what is the difference between : grandiflorum and grandiflorum valenton jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Is it trully an error? Do you think that the error could also come from Elmer himself, who made a error of declension, whose error was corrected later by other botanists? IPNI is the reference for plants' name: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/advPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=9E3B47360A73F95CF602540ABE5C9DDF?find_family=&find_genus=hydnophytum&find_species=&find_infrafamily=&find_infragenus=&find_infraspecies=&find_authorAbbrev=&find_includePublicationAuthors=on&find_includePublicationAuthors=off&find_includeBasionymAuthors=on&find_includeBasionymAuthors=off&find_publicationTitle=&find_isAPNIRecord=on&find_isAPNIRecord=false&find_isGCIRecord=on&find_isGCIRecord=false&find_isIKRecord=on&find_isIKRecord=false&find_rankToReturn=all&output_format=normal&find_sortByFamily=on&find_sortByFamily=off&query_type=by_query&back_page=plantsearch They wrote "mindanaense". For Jeff: H. horneanum, H. montanum, H. amboinense (refers to the Island of Amboina near Sulawesi). See IPNI.Hydnophytum grandiflorum was described in 1884 by Beccari, but Valenton described H. grandifolium in 1912. It's not the same name! (florum/folium). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted August 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Is it truly an error? Do you think that the error could also come from Elmer himself, who made a error of declension, whose error was corrected later by other botanists? Yes Aurelien, I suspect this may be so, in which case the correction was made by Elmer D. Merrill (not to be confused with Adolf Daniel Edward Elmer) in An Enumeration of Philippine Flowering Plants where he correctly attributed the species to Adolf Daniel Edward Elmer but spelt it as H. mindanaense. However, there is no mention of why a spelling change is required; therefore, I presume his spelling is not legal. One hopes that Jebb & Huxley's revision (should it EVER be published) will clarify these issues for we laypersons. Incidentally, I hear rumours that certain botanically informed academics are finding this site useful, if only occasionally. It would be nice to see them give us some support in return. Jeff. Your Hydnophytum queries have all been answered in my latest DVD book. Have you not bought a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Bonjour on the INPI: IMPORTANT: IPNI does not have information on what are currently accepted names and what are taxonomic (i.e. heterotypic) synonyms. Find this information in floras, monographs, checklists, revisions etc. can you then use merci AURELIEN for grandifolium and grandiflorum publishes the first name for a species must be the reference,correction thereafter can not be done, it is my opinion . jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yes Aurelien, I suspect this may be so, in which case the correction was made by Elmer D. Merrill (not to be confused with Adolf Daniel Edward Elmer) in An Enumeration of Philippine Flowering Plants where he correctly attributed the species to Adolf Daniel Edward Elmer but spelt it as H. mindanaense. However, there is no mention of why a spelling change is required; therefore, I presume his spelling is not legal. The question is easily resolvable: we can contact IPNI by their "contact" option in their website to ask them. They answer quickly and with great precision. One hopes that Jebb & Huxley's revision (should it EVER be published) will clarify these issues for we laypersons. ...I hope so. on the INPI: IMPORTANT: IPNI does not have information on what are currently accepted names and what are taxonomic (i.e. heterotypic) synonyms. Find this information in floras, monographs, checklists, revisions etc. can you then use Jeff: as I said, IPNI (International Plant Name Index) is ONLY used for plants and authors' name (understand orthograph). IPNI is the reference for plants' name In any case their role is to determine which name is "correct" or "synonym". This is the role of monograph and revisions (like Jebb & Huxley) or database like WCSP: http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do;jsessionid=37746AD73DF4F8BF23A1E9B380DF2CBE The best, Aurélien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 boff I think everything is a make or remake with all the documents we have, the lists seem incomplete and not up to date, but hey this is only my opinion. jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 IPNI have replied to my query Hydnophytum mindanaensis Elmer (Adolf Daniel Edward Elmer) as spelt in Leaflets of Philippine botany vol.3, pp1039/40 (1911). (Leafl. Philipp. Bot.) is an error of spelling. The word Hydnophytum in Latin is neuter thus all of its epithets must also have neuter endings which this does not. http://www.biodivers...ge/278/mode/1up. Habitat/Range. Epiphytic in lowland forests to 450 m (1476 ft.) Philippines, Mindanao Island, Davao Province, Cotabato. H. mindanaense Elmer is the corrected spelling as Elmer published it in An enumeration of Philippine flowering plants vol.3, p569, (1923.) http://www.biodivers...ge/575/mode/1up. It was sufficient for Elmer to merely correct his original spelling to make it quite taxonomically legal. The Tropicos database correctly uses this spelling http://www.tropicos.org/Name/100204724. but also use another spelling of H. mindananense attributed to Elmer which is partly incorrect. http://www.tropicos.org/Name/50290088 Partly incorrect because mindananense is derived from an obvious typographical error on a Missouri Botanical Garden herbarium sheet. Collection. Todaya (Mt. Apo), Davao Dist. Mindanao Island. Philippines. 06°59'10"N 125°16'12"E. Collector Elmer http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.mo-1282837 I quote. "mindanaense" is correct.The genus name "Hydnophytum" is neuter in gender, and accordingly, all adjectival epithets of this genus must also be in neuter. In 1911, Elmer erred in using "mindanaensis" (likely feminine in gender), which he later corrected to "mindanaense". No further correction is needed. Best Wishes, Kanchi N. Gandhi However, the note on this sheet http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.e00032343refers the specimen to H. moseleyanum Becc. under which a lot of Hydnophytum names are to become synonyms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Thank you Derrick for the retranscription of this email. I think that this answer is pretty usefull and really complete. so, our first intuition (about declension) was the good! The best, Aurélien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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