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Derrick

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My experience of plants occurring in parts of Australia and New Guinea that experience up to a seven month dry season, leads me to the view that the watering advice on the following bihrmann site for plants from such regions is too liberal. Furthermore, many myrmecodomic plants experience very high levels of insolation, especially during their dry seasons as will be seen in the many habitat images posted herein.     http://www.bihrmann.com/caudiciforms/subs/myr-tub-sub.asp

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My experience of plants occurring in parts of Australia and New Guinea that experience up to a seven month dry season, leads me to the view that the watering advice on the following bihrmann site for plants from such regions is too liberal. Furthermore, many myrmecodomic plants experience very high levels of insolation, especially during their dry seasons as will be seen in the many habitat images posted herein.     http://www.bihrmann.com/caudiciforms/subs/myr-tub-sub.asp

 

Hello Derrick,

since a few months I mount many plants onto cork bark slabs. As a consequence the roots become dry regularly. I feel that many species enjoy this and roots do not visibly suffer from drought. Of cause I only do so with epiphytes.

All the best

Andreas

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Since I've seen the plants in situ, as well as really healthly plants in Andreas's collection, I've also try to mount some plants on bark.

My first experience wasn't so positive, but I've try in different manier.

For the time, all the plants seem to tolerate it well.

To be continued...

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Bonjour

 

in this east asia country  3 climate no

 

-equatorial climate

-tropical climate with 2 season

-temperate climate damp with hot summer

 

then adjust watering with the environment 'in situ'  to the plant, may be  like species Nephentes low and high altitude living in these environments

 

jeff

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NO.

 

Who says that Derrick is "a little bit direct" :lol:  ?

 

Jeff: we consider about EIGHT different climates, only for a small land like France!

http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://cybergeo.revues.org/docannexe/image/23155/img-4.png&imgrefurl=http://cybergeo.revues.org/23155&h=1789&w=1500&tbnid=JM699N4HKqhslM:&zoom=1&tbnh=91&tbnw=76&usg=__kWzPPeolGsmnBMlROHNvonzDdRQ=&docid=ytksiAG49RYT_M&client=firefox-a&sa=X&ei=NPG4VL2vC8_gaLjWgKAB&ved=0CCUQ9QEwAA

 

And even in one particular climate, we could see a lot of variations... Depending mostly were the plant grow.

 

For example: look at this Hyfnophytum photographied by Andreas:

 

http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/371-hydnophytum-spec-viti-levu-fiji-highland/

 

It grow in heavy fog.

 

This one

 

http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/362-hydnophytum-cf-formicarum-matarombeo-sulawesi-tenggara/

 

Grow in full sun in a really dry climate

 

In this documentary:

 

http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/386-small-documantary-by-stewart-mcpherson/

 

You see that plants grows really near the soil. Other pictures (mine, Andreas' ones) show plants which grew really high on trees.

 

Climate could change many with altitude, exposition, place... In a sole station.

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DERRICK

 

NO it's a little short

 

on atlases and encyclopaedias these MAJOR climate seem well

have you some documents on the southeast asia climate ?

 

AURELIEN

 

for  France the MAJOR climate yes  7 or 8   according to the various sources  , but like in south east  asie  your answer

"Climate could change many with altitude, exposition, place... In a sole station"  is also valid in france

 

 

JEFF

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Who says that Derrick is "a little bit direct" :lol:  ?

 

Jeff: we consider about EIGHT different climates, only for a small land like France!

http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://cybergeo.revues.org/docannexe/image/23155/img-4.png&imgrefurl=http://cybergeo.revues.org/23155&h=1789&w=1500&tbnid=JM699N4HKqhslM:&zoom=1&tbnh=91&tbnw=76&usg=__kWzPPeolGsmnBMlROHNvonzDdRQ=&docid=ytksiAG49RYT_M&client=firefox-a&sa=X&ei=NPG4VL2vC8_gaLjWgKAB&ved=0CCUQ9QEwAA

 

And even in one particular climate, we could see a lot of variations... Depending mostly were the plant grow.

 

For example: look at this Hyfnophytum photographied by Andreas:

 

http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/371-hydnophytum-spec-viti-levu-fiji-highland/

 

It grow in heavy fog.

 

This one

 

http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/362-hydnophytum-cf-formicarum-matarombeo-sulawesi-tenggara/

 

Grow in full sun in a really dry climate

 

In this documentary:

 

http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/386-small-documantary-by-stewart-mcpherson/

 

You see that plants grows really near the soil. Other pictures (mine, Andreas' ones) show plants which grew really high on trees.

 

Climate could change many with altitude, exposition, place... In a sole station.

 

 

Even at a single spot you have different habitats in the tropics. 

Many ant plants grow high in trees, often really exposed to sun and wind. The same tree might offer micro-habitats that are permanently moist.

All the best

Andreas

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I had already answered this question under Jeff''s thread "Climat (sic) of these ant plants area."  I repeat it here. "There are of course many types of myrmecophytes and lots of climate variations that they inhabit.  For example, look at the huge distributions that I mention in my note on Lecanopteris sinuosa, that one species lives in quite a range of climates and we can now add southern Cambodia to its reported range (thank you Francois.)  For the myrmecophyte book I am currently writing I have spent many hours attempting to get useful climate statistics, but for mountain living species especially, I have doubts as to their value.  Mountain habitats have big aspect and elevation changes over short distances hence climate statistics must be read with much caution because both temperatures, rainfall and other influences (e. g. wind) can vary immensely.  Another example has been my gathering of data for the myrmecophytic plants of Andean regions.  I can only trust that my suggested climate snapshots provide hints towards possible cultivation guidelines if used with much thought. Latitudes provide definite clues as to a plants probable need for light hours.  Also climate must be considered in relation to other variables such as a species preferred canopy cover.

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Bonjour

 

merci DERRICK

 

in complement

 

3 major climat

inside a lot of eco regions  like you see here http://www.worldwildlife.org/biome-categories/terrestrial-ecoregions

for PNG and irian jaya

 

ecoregions.gif

 

and in these ecoregion a lot of micro climat  like in europe .

 

I am OK with you ,on one tree you can  have different habitat  like in europe :  in the ground (on the roots) - just at ground level - on the trunks along the height - in the branches and the canopy .

 

for me the hydnophytum -myrmecodia- myrmephytum , growing in  grassland -lowland rain forest-montane rain forest and  sud alpine grassland ,

naturally does not have the same climatic conditions, so in cultivate  require more or less watering , heat, light

 

jeff

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I now have a little time to add to this complex subject. On a mountain in New Guinea think of plants growing in montane rain forest at identical latitudes but on different sides of the mountain, its approximately north west slopes will be exposed to the region's annual monsoon downpours, so will be enormously wetter, especially during high summer than south east slopes that sit in the mountain's rain shadow.  Areas most exposed to the monsoons can have as much as 12 meters of rain each year, but I do not know if any myrmecophytes grow in these particularly soaked areas.  Again exposed ridges are popular habitats for myrmecophytes; therefore, wind will be another important climate moderator.  Incidentally, poor air flow seems to be another factor in poorly cultivated plant images posted on Facebook.

  Most of my experience in PNG has been in regions sitting more or less in the rain shadow of high ranges even when in the highland provinces.  Port Moresby and Central Province sit in a rain shadow as do large areas of lowland grasslands in Gulf and Western Provinces noted for their dominating ant-plant guilds.

  Andreas has explored regions on the north coast of New Guinea, so some of his experience will probably be of some more wetter  regions.

  Perhaps the only constant is that all myrmecophyte habitats have year-long high humidities. Certainly, I am not aware of any that do not, but perhaps some (tillandsias?) may break this possible rule, if only for some annual seasons. 

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