Jardin Exotico Kamala Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Solanopteris Brunei produces *parenquima the food of azteca forel...very agressive ants..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Wistuba Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Have you come across Solanopteris in the wild? Any pictures or other info on this little known genus would be greatly appreciated All the best Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jardin Exotico Kamala Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes.., Costarica:(*Pejibaye distritto - *Siquirres "canton volcan Arenal) and Panama:*Chiriqui cocle; *Elevation 200 maximum 1400 Info:" tubercles secrete ecdisona hormone that help the growth of the ants.. "in Costa Rica there is Azteca sp"., but Waner have been identified as Azteca traili var.filicis forel, a specie not previously reported from Costa Rica but known from *Peru, definitively the presence of a South American insect at the nothermost range of patato fern implie that the ferns and ants ahve coevolved ot only byological but also geographically; (there are....*Colombia - *Costa Rica - *Ecuador - *Panama - *Peru -) Fiendly Raffaele Ferraro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Wistuba Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes.., Costarica:(*Pejibaye distritto - *Siquirres "canton volcan Arenal) and Panama:*Chiriqui cocle; *Elevation 200 maximum 1400 Info:" tubercles secrete ecdisona hormone that help the growth of the ants.. "in Costa Rica there is Azteca sp"., but Waner have been identified as Azteca traili var.filicis forel, a specie not previously reported from Costa Rica but known from *Peru, definitively the presence of a South American insect at the nothermost range of patato fern implie that the ferns and ants ahve coevolved ot only byological but also geographically; (there are....*Colombia - *Costa Rica - *Ecuador - *Panama - *Peru -) Fiendly Raffaele Ferraro Which species did you find - S. brunei or other species? All the best Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jardin Exotico Kamala Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 The best interesting..the unknown *sp novae - from Cordillera azul - Loreto San Martin - Peru......tiny round leaves, attractive and beautiful dwarf plant; Friendly Raffaele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Wistuba Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 The best interesting..the unknown *sp novae - from Cordillera azul - Loreto San Martin - Peru......tiny round leaves, attractive and beautiful dwarf plant; Friendly Raffaele You have a picture? Do you know, if anybody grows any Solanopteris except S. brunei? All the best Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jardin Exotico Kamala Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Maybe in the future available ....I haven´t photo, but from my notebook guide there is a photo which was used for to search.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 This is the "unknown" sp. It was published about 12 years ago. http://www.botanicus.org/primeocr/mbgserv14/botanicus5/b13058551/31753003431209/31753003431209_0481.txt Microgramma fosteri Leon & Beltran (sub-genus Solanopteris) published in Novon 12(4), 2002. Description: a species with dimorphic leaves, long creeping rhizomes and hollow tubers measuring only 1.5- 2 cm in diameter. It differs from other coenosoric (a particular sori shape) species by the presence of laminar scales intermixed among sori (spore receptacles)and slender paraphyses (sterile plant organs) with elongate apical cells possessing clear lumina and thin walls. Habitat/Range: As one can see from the above date, it is a 'relatively' new find. The type specimen was collected in the year 2000 in the Ucayali Region of north-central Peru on the Azul del Biabo(Blue Mountain Range), at an altitude of 1220 m. (4003 ft.) in the cabaceras del Rio Pisque (headwaters of the River Pisque) which eventually flows to the Pacific Ocean through Uruguay to the north west. The whole of the Blue Mountain Range is located on an isolated branch of the eastern cordillera, spread between the geopolitical regions of Huánuco, Loreto, Ucayali and San Martin. Created in 2001 it forms Azul National Forest the largest continually intact high montane forests in Peru and the country’s third largest national park. Its climate is influenced by its latitude and proximity to the inter-tropical convergence zone and altitudes that vary from a high 2,320 m. (7612 ft.) down to only 150 m (492 ft.) It is generally mild and rainy in areas above 400 m (1312 ft.) but hot and humid on the Amazon lowland plain. At heights of 1220 m. (4003 ft.) and above, expect conditions to be cool and wet, yet the entire region is subject to a pattern of dry periods between Jun/Jul to Oct/Nov. There can also be occasional cold winds from frigid mountains to the south known locally as "friaje" when temperatures will drop to as low as 8°C. (46°F.)for several days. The highest mountains to the north and east of the Cordillera Azul constitute a barrier to humidity from the Amazon plain to the east; therefore, in the northeast of the park, forests are markedly drier at varying altitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Here are some photos of a plant I grew as Solanopteris brunei. I found it needed high humidity and would only make the modified stem tubers when it was getting very good light. The plants would grow well for a while but eventually weaken and need to be restarted from cuttings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Wistuba Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hi Frank, your plants are awesome. Honestly, all I can do is keeping mine alive. At which temperature are you having yours? A lot of fertilizing? All the best Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Thanks Andreas, I grow them in large terrariums with a room humidifier inside running all day long on a low setting. Humidity stays about 80%. A muffin fan moves air, again only during the day. A half inch offset to the glass lid on one end to vent. They are in my basement so night time temperatures drop to 59 winter or about 63/65 summer. I have never checked day time temperatures in the terrarium but with the lights outside the glass top I doubt if it gets above low 80s at the most. The turning point to having them thrive was when I went to a very complex, homemade epiphyte mix for them. Something around 40% long fiber sphagnum, about 20% coconut husk pieces (soaked 3 different times to desalt), about 20% tree fern pieces that I cut into roughly 1/2 to 1 inch squares, some charcoal, some perlite and some fir bark pieces like orchid growers like to use. Before this complex mix I used just long-fiber sphagnum. I think the plants like the more open nature of this new mix.. I only fertilize when they start growing new stems and leaves and again when they start making the tubers. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DischidiaGuy Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Great info Frank. Now just to get one to try it ;-) Every time I tried to get one it fell through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Bonjour have you try some spore sowing? ROBBIN C MORAN to the missouri botanical garden made a very good article on potato fern. S.brunei is find on Costa rica -Panama-Colombia -Ecuador S.bismarckii and S. tuberosa Ecuador and Peru (1100 to 2000m) S.brifons in amazonia lowlands of Colombia,Ecuador-Peru (200 to 800m) microgramma and solanopteris are sister genera not the same microgramma : "lacks tubers, has narrowly lanceolate scales on the rhizomes, smooth or wartyspores and usually lacks hairs among the sporangia " solanopteris :"tubers,small,round scales on the rhizomes, spinyspores,and slender club-shaped hairs among the sporangia " jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 http://www.plantsystematics.org/imgs/robbin/re/Polypodiaceae_Microgramma_bifrons_38501.html Here the fern expert Robbin Moran has labeled his own photo as Microgramma brunei http://tcf.bh.cornell.edu/imgs/robbin/r/Polypodiaceae_Microgramma_brunei_7585.html Of course not everyone may accept Lellinger's classification, therefore thorough web searches should cover both 'generic' names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Bonjour a Microgramma list here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgramma_%28plant%29 all have not some tuber ,just solanopteris no ? S.brifons and S.tuberosa should not be included in the list jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Wistuba Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hi all, I think it does not really matter if one taxonomist places Solanopteris as an independent genus and another one as a subgenus of Microgramma. Frankly speaking, that's a matter of taste and as long as nobody does phylogenetic analysis both placements may have their pro and contra arguments. BTW, the same holds true for Lecanopteris and Myrmecophila... All the best Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Lecanopteris and Myrmecophila????? Not so, that would create even more confusion. Myrmecophila Rolfe. Type Myrmecophila tibicinis (Bateman) Robert Allen Rolfe published in Orchid Review 25, 1917. Basionym Epidendrum tibicinis James Bateman published in Edwards's Botanical Register 24, 1838. (Rolfe cited Schomburgkia tibicinis as its basionym in error.) They are still frequently referred to as Schomburgkia in the orchid trade. Etymology of Myrmecophila is based on the word myrmecophile (ant friend) derived from the Greek words 'myrmekos' ant and 'phileo' love as a friend.) A myrmecophile is usually defined as an animal species that habitually shares the nest of an ant species; however, in this context it alludes to Myrmecophila being ant-friendly plants. The name Myrmecophila was later duplicated for a genus of myrmecophyte ferns (now Lecanopteris) by Konrad Hermann Heinrich Christ (ex Nakai) when published in Botanical Magazine 43, 1929, thus creating much taxonomic confusion. The genus was revised in 2003. The currently accepted species are: M. brysiana, (Lem.) G.C. Kennedy. M. christinae, Carnevali & Gómez-Juárez. M. galeottiana (A. Rich.) Rolfe. M. grandiflora Carnevali, Tapia-Muñoz & I. Ramírez. M. humboldtii (Rchb. f.) Rolfe. M. thompsoniana (Rchb. f.) Rolfe. Cayman Island only M. tibicinis(Bateman.) Rolfe. M. wendlandii (Rchb. f.) G.C. Kennedy. M x lagunae-guerrerae Carnevali, Ibarra. González & Tapia-Muñoz. A natural hybrid. Source. http://lankesteriana.org/lankesteriana/Lankesteriana%20vol.%203.%202003/Lankesteriana%20N%207/Numeroporsecciones/14%20Carnevali%20et%20al.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Wistuba Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hello Derrick, you are of cause correct. What I meant is Myrmecopteris, not Myrmecophila....sorry for mixup... All the best Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Hello Derrick, you are of cause correct. What I meant is Myrmecopteris, not Myrmecophila....sorry for mixup... All the best Andreas I understand your confusion, Andreas, because if some Lecanopteris were rattached to the genus Myrmecopteris, L. mirabilis is considered as a Myrmecophila ! http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-26610500 But I think this name is illegitimate because in the Plantae Kingdom, a genus is also called Myrmecophila - as Derrick says. Homonymy in genus is possible, but only for different kingdoms. Some plants and animals have for example the same genus, but we cannot made a mixup. I don't understand why TPL consider that the valid name for Lecanopteris mirabilis is Myrmecophila mirabilis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hi Andreas, Back up at message #10 in this thread you asked what temperature I was growing my Solanopteris at. I told you low 60s F at night and estimated day time as no more than low 80s. Since then I have put a thermometer in the growing chamber and I can now say with certainty that daytime temperatures are only 10 to 12 degrees above nighttime - low 70s. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 with the new revision to B.Swale and M. Hassler to 20-07-2001 we speak just to Lecanopteris Lecanopteris Reinwardt 1825 Myrmecophila cHRIST 1897 Myrmecopteris Pichi Serm 1977 may be here also some anteriory problem? perhaps a DNA analysis to decide is not a luxury !!! jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Bonjour do you know this document to lecanopteris http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~bj/fern/lecanopteris.htm jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_hormone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Bonjour DERRICK why this URL ? JEFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 See also the thread "Microgramma or Solanopteris?" Which conforms use of Solanopteris is now historical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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