DischidiaGuy Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Given the morphology of most Dischidia flowers, hybrids in this genus are rare. I only know of a couple. This particular hybrid is a cross between 2 different ant species: D. vidalii x D. sp. Camiguin Island (a shell leaved species). I wanted to post these pictures to show how similar it is to the Dischidia saccata that Satoshi shared photos of the other day ( http://myrmecodia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/132-dischidia-saccata-mindanao/ ). I find it interesting how similar the pocket-like leaves are to Hoya darwinii's modified ant leaves as well. Sorry for the low quality shots, they are off my cell phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I also have Dischidia considered to be hybrid. Nursery of japan brought from Thailand. D.vidalii x D.imbricata...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DischidiaGuy Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 It is the same plant. Many incorrectly assume that sp. Camiguin Island is Dischidia imbricata which it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggi_Hartmeyer Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Last week I bought the plant at Toom-marked in Rheinfelden (Germany), wrong labelled as D. pectenoides. Via Facebook I got the information that this plant is the hybrid Dischidia pectenoides x platyphylla, or cultivar Dischidia 'Supha 08'. So what is right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Is it the well known "Snaily" ? http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.plantes-et-jardins.com%2F450x450%2Fdischidia-escargot-verrerie.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.plantes-et-jardins.com%2Fp%2F19909-dischidia-platyphylla&h=450&w=450&tbnid=sOPejjvwPw5rkM%3A&zoom=1&docid=BSuWdmcQgU50AM&ei=aJLGU6vvBYLH0QW3xoCIBg&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=361&page=1&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=0CCUQrQMwAQ This plant is quite common, sometimes sold as "Dischidia platyphylla", but I'm agree with you, it really look like an hybrid involving a pitcher Dischidia (D. vidalii, D. complex, D. major) and a shell shaped Dischidia (D. platyphylla, D. imbricata...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggi_Hartmeyer Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yes, that's right, it is labelled "Snaily" and below as D. pectenoides which is certainly incorrect. Source was the building suplies store "Toom" (Germany). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Thanks Siggi! But I can't bring more help or informations... The best, Aurélien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 have you a macro picture from the tranverse cutting to the flower? to see the lobe ( inflexed or reflexed) and their corolla hair have you some seeds ? for me the leaves are closer to a D.platyphylla as a D.pectinoides may be also if it is possible, a macro picture tranverse cutting flower to D.platyphylla and D.pectinoides to compare them and this hybrid jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Dischidia pectenoides H. Pearson (Henry Harold Welch Pearson) published in Journal of the Linnean Society, Botany, vol.35, p377, (1902). Also see p376. Often spelt pectinoides in error. (J. Linn. Soc., Bot.) http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/335444#page/392/mode/1up. This article hints of other possible saccate species. Synonym, Dischidia vidalii Becc. (Odoardo Beccari) in Malesia Raccolta 2, pp272/3, (1886) with no type description, thus nom nud, a naked name in note #2 at bottom of page 272. (Malesia 2) http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/151443#page/408/mode/1up More background, An enumeration of Philippine flowering plants, vol.3, p343, (1923) incorrectly as D. vidalii. (Enum. Philipp. Fl.) http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/33502741#page/355/mode/1up Journal of Botany British and Foreign, vol.40, p270, (1902) correctly as D. pectenoides. http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/35243293#page/343/mode/1up Description. Domatia leaves are particularly inflated and again of the double cavity form seen in D. complex and it has attractive red flowers, probably a rarity in this little known genus where most flowers appear to be white. Habitat/Range. The Zambales Range and Bataan, Rizal, and Laguna Provinces on Luzon Island, Northern Philippines, where it frequently grows on the living or dead stems of climbing bamboo. It is surprisingly easy to cultivate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 for me the rule of anteriority names must be still valid. then if you have D.vidalii in 1886 and D. pectenoides in 1902 the name D.vidalii must be selected jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 NO because unless someone can up with another type description in the literature earlier than 1902, Dischidia pectenoides is the correct name because D. vidalii was never validly published. See page 272 of Odoardo Beccari's tome Malesia raccolta 1886. (Malesia 2.) http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/151443#page/408/mode/1up. Yes Tropicos does attribute the name to Beccari (1886) but they are WRONG. It is plain to see by reading the above page 272 that Beccari did not add a type description; therefore, he does NOT have priority. There are a number of errors regarding myrmecophytes in Tropicos/IPNI as my book will show, indeed at least one record has already been corrected. Botanical authors must publish new species correctly in order to have priority but Beccari was not even trying to do so. Furthermore, it is D. pectenoides with an e after the t not pectinoides with an i after the t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurélien Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Interesting remark Derrick. I've never noticed that D. vidalii is a nomen nudum. For most references, D. vidalii should be used, following the anteriority rules, as Jeff said. I've myself reduce all the D. pectenoides under synonymy at Nancy BG following these sources... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 may be that the description was made before the writings of Beccarii by Vidal, hence the name. JEFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 may be that the description was made before the writings of Beccarii by Vidal, hence the name. This may be so but unless someone can find such a type description 1902 has priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Bonjour may be here in 1883 Sinopsis de familias y generos de plantas leñosas de Filipinas, introduccion à la flora forestal del archipelago Filipino. jean françois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 This is merely a synopsis of Families & Genera, so no.. Edit. But why did you not make the effort to check this yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrick Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 may be that the description was made before the writings of Beccarii by Vidal, hence the name. Statements such as this are not at all helpful and merely waste space in this forum. It is obvious there might be such a possibility, so I checked all of the resources available to me but I found nothing. I would suggest that unless positive new information is found, it is best not to make such vacuous comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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